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Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:17 pm
by jscobie
Hi,
How does pockertracker define a probe bet? Is it when someone is not the PFR and does not donk?
Thanks in advance
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:38 pm
by kraada
A probe bet is a bet out of position after the player who could have made a continuation bet on the prior street did not make that continuation bet.
So for example:
Player X raises preflop on the button, Player Y calls in the BB. Y checks, X checks. Y bets the turn. That's a probe bet because on the street before (the flop) X could have continuation bet (by virtue of the PFR) but did not do so.
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:41 pm
by COKE_MAN
Is there an equivalent to this when positions are reversed? For example, preflop UTG raises, BTN calls. UTG checks flop, BTN bets.
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:48 pm
by kraada
That's a Flop Float bet.
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:14 am
by COKE_MAN
Flop float bet. Got it.
Is there a existing stat for the same scenario I described EXCEPT, btn checks flop, UTG checks turn and then BTN bets? Or by that time has the preflop raiser given up initiative and so that is just a regular turn bet?
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:15 am
by WhiteRider
That's just a regular bet on the turn, although you could build a custom stat for it if you're interested in identifying that specific situation?
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:22 am
by Harnas31
kraada wrote:A probe bet is a bet out of position after the player who could have made a continuation bet on the prior street did not make that continuation bet.
So for example:
Player X raises preflop on the button, Player Y calls in the BB. Y checks, X checks. Y bets the turn. That's a probe bet because on the street before (the flop) X could have continuation bet (by virtue of the PFR) but did not do so.
ok, but
What about something like float out of position [oop] ?
If x cbet , Y check/call and on turn Y bet --- is it float oop or donk ?
When floating oop happens ?
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:26 am
by kraada
If the action went like this:
Preflop X raised from the button, Y called from a blind. Y checked the flop and X cbet. Y called the cbet. Y bet the turn.
That is a Turn Donk from Y.
You cannot make a float bet out of position, only a donk or a probe.
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:29 pm
by NimhOfJoy
kraada wrote:If the action went like this:
Preflop X raised from the button, Y called from a blind. Y checked the flop and X cbet. Y called the cbet. Y bet the turn.
That is a Turn Donk from Y.
You cannot make a float bet out of position, only a donk or a probe.
What about Y and X both ch turn and Y bets river? What's that called? Is that a river probe?
Re: Definition of Probe bet?

Posted:
Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:39 pm
by NimhOfJoy
COKE_MAN wrote:Flop float bet. Got it.
Is there a existing stat for the same scenario I described EXCEPT, btn checks flop, UTG checks turn and then BTN bets? Or by that time has the preflop raiser given up initiative and so that is just a regular turn bet?
I would just point out that this is generally referred to as a delayed cbet.