Fold to Push after 4bet

[js2002]

This is "fold to push after 4bet"

sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin='P' AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin_action='F', 1, 0])
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sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin='P', 1, 0])

NOW I want to make a "Fold to 5bet+ after 4bet", so the faced raise after the 4bet doesnt has to be an allin.

Is flg_4bet_def_opp also including 4bet+?
If yes I could make:

sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_4bet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_p_4bet_action='F', 1, 0])
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sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_4bet_def_opp , 1, 0])


Did you understand what I want and what do you think about my solution?
Looks little bit paradox because of making a bet and facing a 4bet(+)...

[kraada]

I believe that should work properly thought I admit I haven't done extensive testing on those flags personally.

[Learning Curved]

Is this stat the best available stat for this request that you know of?

Also, now that I have this stat, how can I examine and replay a list of every hand that this situation came up? If I recall, there is something in reports that will place a check box indicator next to every hand that is "true" for said stat. How could I accomplish this?

As always, thanks in advance.

[kraada]

You would have to build that stat in the Holdem Cash Hand section - it's not there by default. What would probably be easier is to use the Filters section. You can filter for both Actions -> Preflop -> 4bet and Facing -> Preflop -> 4bet and then see all of the times that either you 4bet and faced a 5 bet or vice versa (or 5/6bet etc)

[cokedrinker]

This stat (fold 4b to shove) would surely make it an easy decision in choosing PT3.

Does this stat work properly - and can i put it on the HUD??? (never used PT3 before, not sure if this is a hud stat or one that just shows up in the PT3 interface)

Cheers

[kraada]

The stat should work properly and on the HUD as far as I'm aware.

[cokedrinker]

I must be missing a trick here! The stat works fine - when i add it to the cash games tab mine shows up as 28%, however its not showing in the hud at all!.. I get a NA for everybody in the HUD, and i have >30k hands on alot of players.

Any idea of where im going wrong? I have updated the cache

[cokedrinker]

wow, its actually showing as 0 in the PT cash games tab for 2 guys i have 70k hands on? I dont understand it - im pretty sure they have at least faced a 5b shove within these samples but it shows as NA 0/0 ... yet, within 30k hands it has a % for me, so the stat should be working correctly :/

[js2002]

Tested this:

sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_first_raise AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_4bet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_p_4bet_action='F', 1, 0])

Result

1 hand (10k sample)

I dont have any results for the allin stat, too. But try the fold to 5bet+ stat...

[kraada]

This sort of stuff is a lot rarer than it seems. It doesn't surprise me that someone with a 10k sample only has one instance of this situation. Consider it like this:


Player A raises 10% of hands. On average, when Player A raises, say he faces a 3-bet 10% of the time. So we're already down to 1/100 hands where he's raised and faces a 3-bet. Say Player A 4-bets for value with QQ+, AK and 98s as a bluff, otherwise he folds. This equates to about 4% of hands - so he's folding 60% of the time he faces a 3-bet and raising the other 40%. Now we're down from 1/100 hands to 1/250. Now the question is how often this happens do we face a shove. If it's not often - say 10%, now we're at 1/2500 hands. That's not 1/10000, but that sort of variance doesn't seem that strange, especially if you're in a game without that much 3-betting. If Player A only faces a 3-bet 5% of the time but all else stays the same, that makes it 1/5000. If Player A is only 4-betting AA and KK it gets even worse.

In short, in a game without a lot of 3-betting and without a lot of 4-betting light, only seeing a sample of 1 instance in 10k hands doesn't surprise me.