enum_face_allin

[Legend]

Is enum_face_allin flag set to true when villain bets an amount that is larger than my stack but is not actually all-in himself, and my decision closes the street action ?

Lets say that I'm in the BB with 1000 in chips and he is in the small blind with 2000 in chips. Everyone folds to him pre flop and he raises 1000 more.
Will enum_face_allin be set to true in this case, or perhaps it will be set to true only if he bets 2000 ?

[kraada]

I certainly think it should from the definition. Do you have any evidence that it isn't counting those spots?

[WhiteRider]

Firstly, enum_face_allin is not a true/false value. enum_ means it has one of a selected few values. In this case P for preflop, F(lop), T(urn), R(iver), or N(one).

I'm pretty sure enum_face_allin only refers to other players going all in, not whether you are facing an amount greater than your stack.
In the example you give I think enum_face_allin would be 'N' (for none). If you call then enum_allin would be 'P' (preflop).

If you have a hand showing an example of this, please either post the full hand history text here or attach it to a ticket on our Support system , and link to this thread in the reference field of the ticket so that I can find out for sure.

[kraada]

It'd be awfully useful if it were set to 'P' in the example in question, though . . .

[Legend]

Sorry for the confusion, by referring to enum_face_allin set to true I actually meant that it is set to one of the possible values other than (N)one.

I was just looking for a clarification as to how this stat was designed because it was not clear from the documentation whether it only applies when villain bets all his chips or also when he bets more chips than the other players still active in the hand have, which is essentially the same thing.

It looks like it only applies when villain bets all his chips. I'd like to recommend that you include the other scenario in future versions.

[kraada]

I'll make sure that our developers are aware of the issue. If you do have any hands that have the problem in question, please submit them via a ticket as I mentioned previously and we'll link it to the bug created for this issue and that way when it gets fixed you will get an automated notification.

[Legend]

Thanks kraada.

It's not really a bug, it's just a matter of how you defined it. I think that a better way to define it is to include cases where the player facing the bet has less chips than the bet size, even if the bettor is not techinically all-in.

Along the same lines, here is another suggestion:

flg_p_3bet_opp is defined as "If the player had the opportunity to 3 bet pre-flop, this is set to true, otherwise this is false."

I found that if the player was facing an all-in bet and was closing the action pre-flop, i.e. he could either call or fold, this flag was still set to true, although technically speaking he didn't have an opportunity to 3 bet, so the data is not 100% accurate the way you defined it. I didn't yet check the scenario where the player facing the raise didn't have enough chips to riase, but I believe it will set the flag to true as well. A more accurate way to define it is "facing a 2 bet", or alternatively check whether the player could technically 3 bet before setting it to true.

Fortunately both cases can be fine tuned with custom scripts.

[kraada]

I've been discussing this with WhiteRider and I think there might be a way to define the "facing a bet for less than your chipstack" with the current database fields we have available; it will likely get ugly, but I'm definitely going to take a look at it for the Tournament version of the Advanced HUD (as I'd like to have a called an all-in stat by M that includes the time you called off your own stack when covered). Once I have that stat built it'll definitely be in that new version and I'll make a note to paste it here for you.

The flg_p_3bet_opp flag issue seems like a bug to me, at least. Do you have any hands handy that illustrate this issue? If so, could you please attach them to a support ticket so that we can look into the issue and decide what to do about it?

[Legend]

I submitted a hand history for the flg_p_3bet_opp issue.

[kraada]

Thanks, we'll look into it and get back to you in the ticket.